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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-919</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:19:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Here's one"

Well, that's McCain getting called on it, but noticeably not by the media.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Here&#8217;s one&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, that&#8217;s McCain getting called on it, but noticeably not by the media.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-918</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:17:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, it seems that for a group that touts itself as the equality group will automatically be called on every little infraction. Remember, it was not the average joe who called Obama on it, it was Tim Russert, a journalist and not a very good one.

Compare the Farrakhan thing to every sexual infraction that the right is accused of. The media goes wild. Craig got way more heat then he deserved for his "infraction". 

When you set youself up as the champion of the poor, or of the family, or of whatever, the media is going to be there to chop down anyone who even seems to go against that ideal. The MSM is to point out scandal and create dissension where there is none. They dropped any other goal long ago.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, it seems that for a group that touts itself as the equality group will automatically be called on every little infraction. Remember, it was not the average joe who called Obama on it, it was Tim Russert, a journalist and not a very good one.</p>
<p>Compare the Farrakhan thing to every sexual infraction that the right is accused of. The media goes wild. Craig got way more heat then he deserved for his &#8220;infraction&#8221;. </p>
<p>When you set youself up as the champion of the poor, or of the family, or of whatever, the media is going to be there to chop down anyone who even seems to go against that ideal. The MSM is to point out scandal and create dissension where there is none. They dropped any other goal long ago.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra m</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-916</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 20:26:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here's one:  &lt;a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/28/mccain_endorsement_angers_cath.html" rel="nofollow"&gt;Catholic Group wants McCain to denounce evangelical&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s one:  <a href="http://blog.washingtonpost.com/the-trail/2008/02/28/mccain_endorsement_angers_cath.html" rel="nofollow">Catholic Group wants McCain to denounce evangelical</a></p>
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		<title>By: cassandra m</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-915</link>
		<dc:creator>cassandra m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 17:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(sorry to come back late)  The Cunningham thing was about one man trying to use Hussein as a signifier for all things Muslim and scary.  It is not just rude, but certainly anti-Muslim.  But Cunningham is not a Farrakan equivalent.  So what if McCain gets endorsed by Stormfront of the KKK or the Council of Concerned Citizens?  I bet that Tim Russert would not ask him to denounce that endorsement.  Or how about Ann Coulter?  A conservative who frequently calls for Democrats (and others she demonizes) to be hurt or killed.  And no, I don't buy the joke thing.

It is almost as though the media has accepted that bigoted behavior is OEM with republicans, but Democrats must be ever vigilant to weed out and publicly shun all of their bad actors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(sorry to come back late)  The Cunningham thing was about one man trying to use Hussein as a signifier for all things Muslim and scary.  It is not just rude, but certainly anti-Muslim.  But Cunningham is not a Farrakan equivalent.  So what if McCain gets endorsed by Stormfront of the KKK or the Council of Concerned Citizens?  I bet that Tim Russert would not ask him to denounce that endorsement.  Or how about Ann Coulter?  A conservative who frequently calls for Democrats (and others she demonizes) to be hurt or killed.  And no, I don&#8217;t buy the joke thing.</p>
<p>It is almost as though the media has accepted that bigoted behavior is OEM with republicans, but Democrats must be ever vigilant to weed out and publicly shun all of their bad actors.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-909</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:30:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Athletic support doesn't count

*rimshot*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Athletic support doesn&#8217;t count</p>
<p>*rimshot*</p>
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		<title>By: nemski</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-908</link>
		<dc:creator>nemski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:23:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let it be known that I am denouncing and rejecting any support from Donviti.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let it be known that I am denouncing and rejecting any support from Donviti.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-907</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PS: not saying Cunningham was as bad as an anti-semite, but just pointing out the similarity of white guy denouncing white guy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PS: not saying Cunningham was as bad as an anti-semite, but just pointing out the similarity of white guy denouncing white guy</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-906</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 17:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"I really want these folks who want black folks to specifically denounce bad behavior by other black people, then I want to hear questions of white candidates asking them to denounce the bad behavior of specific white people."

That's a really interesting point. However, it has come up just recently with the whole McCain/Cunningham thing.

I wonder how that situation would have presented if McCain had anyone to debate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I really want these folks who want black folks to specifically denounce bad behavior by other black people, then I want to hear questions of white candidates asking them to denounce the bad behavior of specific white people.&#8221;</p>
<p>That&#8217;s a really interesting point. However, it has come up just recently with the whole McCain/Cunningham thing.</p>
<p>I wonder how that situation would have presented if McCain had anyone to debate.</p>
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		<title>By: cassandra m</title>
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		<dc:creator>cassandra m</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 16:43:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim and Brian are NBC.  They are the Big Kids of the traditional media.  MSNBC is worse, in my estimation, except for Olbermann.

The Big Kids are in a pretty bad position to moderate these debates.  It shows them up as ratings-addicted, not really news-addicted.  Some of the better debates I have heard were moderated by radio people (NPR with local reporters) where the need for fireworks was not necessary.

I am still disturbed by Russert's question re: Farrakan.  Farrakan is not worthy of defending (and is way less influential or attention-getting as he used to be, but is a useful symbol as Soul Brother No 1 for black antisemitism)   but I really want these folks who want black folks to specifically denounce bad behavior by other black people, then I want to hear questions of white candidates asking them to denounce the bad behavior of specific white people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim and Brian are NBC.  They are the Big Kids of the traditional media.  MSNBC is worse, in my estimation, except for Olbermann.</p>
<p>The Big Kids are in a pretty bad position to moderate these debates.  It shows them up as ratings-addicted, not really news-addicted.  Some of the better debates I have heard were moderated by radio people (NPR with local reporters) where the need for fireworks was not necessary.</p>
<p>I am still disturbed by Russert&#8217;s question re: Farrakan.  Farrakan is not worthy of defending (and is way less influential or attention-getting as he used to be, but is a useful symbol as Soul Brother No 1 for black antisemitism)   but I really want these folks who want black folks to specifically denounce bad behavior by other black people, then I want to hear questions of white candidates asking them to denounce the bad behavior of specific white people.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe M</title>
		<link>http://www.meritboundalley.net/2008/02/27/msnbc-debate/#comment-904</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 14:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MSNBC was obviously favoring Obama. I doubt Russert has the guile to play the game well enough to get sympathy for Clinton. 

The problem is that now Clinton can easily blame the bad moderation on her poor performance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MSNBC was obviously favoring Obama. I doubt Russert has the guile to play the game well enough to get sympathy for Clinton. </p>
<p>The problem is that now Clinton can easily blame the bad moderation on her poor performance.</p>
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